I don’t know the answer to this question, but sentences beginning with economic, and ending with assorted descriptive terms like depression and collapse are being heard among those who are in the know about things financial. I think Jim Rogers was the first market maven I heard sound the alarm about the seriousness of the sub-prime problem in late 2007. More recently he told CNBC that the US government’s approach to the “bailout” will create an “inflation holocaust”.
In a now famous talk given by President Hinckley in Oct 1998 Priesthood Meeting, our optimistic prophet struck a surprisingly pessimistic tone when he said:
“There is a portent of stormy weather ahead to which we had better give heed. I hope with all my heart that we shall never slip into a depression. I am a child of the Great Depression of the thirties. I finished the university in 1932, when unemployment in this area exceeded 33 percent… We are carrying a message of self-reliance throughout the Church. Self-reliance cannot obtain when there is serious debt hanging over a household… I urge you, brethren, to look to the condition of your finances. I urge you to be modest in your expenditures; discipline yourselves in your purchases to avoid debt to the extent possible. Pay off debt as quickly as you can, and free yourselves from bondage.”
An Astonishing Prophecy
Recently I came across a prophecy reportedly given in 1989 by Iohani Wolfgramm. Brother Wolfgramm, I’ve learned, is a Tongan brother known for his spiritual gifts. Elder Oaks referred to him in a talk entitled, “Miracles”, published in June 2001 Ensign. It is a word of mouth, fragmented pronouncement without a source. I would normally file it under the heading of unreliable prophecy, but I decided to keep it for further evaluation. Following is part of what he is reported to have said regarding an economic collapse:
“The Big economic collapse which leads to chaos will occur in the last year of the 2nd term of the son of George Bush who will become president.”
Someone commenting that the patriarch must mean that President Bush (the 1st Pres. Bush) would be re-elected. Patriarch Wolfgramm then replied (remember, this is 1989) that it wasn’t that Pres. Bush, but that it was the son of Pres. Bush who would become president that he was referring to.
I’ve been able to trace discussion on this prophecy as far back as 2003 on the internet. Does anyone know more? I hesitate to pass this kind of thing on, but I want to learn more about this prophecy. Do any of you reading this have more information?
Summary
I feel to echo the words of President Hinckley, and say it is important for all of those who follow the prophets to double, and redouble our efforts to be prepared as church leaders have told us for these many years.
I’ll close this post with the words of another prophet, Ezra Taft Benson who said:
“The revelation to store food may be as essential to our temporal salvation today as boarding the ark was to the people in the days of Noah” (”Prepare Ye,” Ensign, Jan. 1974, 69).
LDS Anarchist
Posted on 31st October, 2008
We are witnessing the final phase of the planned demise of the United States government. The plan is to replace it with “something else,” but the Spirit tells me that they will fail in that plan, that the government will be broken up, and that we will be brought into tribal anarchy in preparation for the establishment of Zion. The next six to eight months is when the plan of the secret combination was intended to go into full effect and their goal (concerning America) achieved, but they miscalculated. They thought that as the Lord has not acted over the past 150 some odd years, that He would continue to simply watch and not put forth His hand. However, it just so happens that the appointed time that He was going to act, was the very time that the secret combination intended to make its big move. I find it awfully funny, as these bozos have been planning this for generations, factoring in every conceivable obstacle and just assuming a sleeping Lord. But, we will all see a new variable over the course of the next six months as the Lord does His strange work among the people. The “prophets” of doom who have been proclaiming the plans of the SC for many years, have done a great work in exposing their intentions and dragging their works out into the open, so that we can combat them, but they have not understood that we have reason to be optimistic because it was never the intention of the Lord to allow the secret combination to succeed in this work. Although tribulation, chaos, turmoil, famine, thirst, homelessness, etc., will result from the nefarious work of the sc, we will not be brought into a new government, nor will the current government exist anymore. So, although we are all bombarded with news of economic disaster, with the mantra that “change is coming,” it will not be the planned change of the sc (as they aim to change society into their image of order), but the planned change of the Lord into tribal anarchy, which will effectively remove all power bases.
Tim Malone
Posted on 1st November, 2008
OK LDS Anarchist, you’ve got to provide some details for your claims. I’m not arguing with what you’ve presented. I just want to know more and read some sources. I’ve been all over your blog and don’t remember reading where you have brought the secret combinations into the light. Point us to some of your essays or other sources. What is supposed to happen in the next six to eight months and what is the Lord going to do to put forth his hand? Are you referring to some sort of catastrophic or cataclysmic events? I’m especially interested in your sources for tribal anarchy - exactly when and how?
By the way Jared, thanks for this post. I remember President Hinckley’s priesthood meeting warning. There was much discussion afterward in our wards and stake, but not much changed as far as people getting out of debt. I had not read the prophecy of the good Tongan brother before. I hope someone can provide you with a source. I agree that we are in for some serious changes, but how soon and how far reaching into our lives is a subject that needs to be explored more.
LDS Anarchist
Posted on 23rd November, 2008
Tim Malone asked, “What is supposed to happen in the next six to eight months and what is the Lord going to do to put forth his hand?”
Apparently the dollar will collapse sometime before summer, 2009. Source: LEAP/Europe2020.
The rest of what I wrote comes from this source: the Spirit.
I do not know what the Lord is going to do. The Spirit hasn’t told me every detail. But I’m receiving a lot of prophetic communications of late. He recently gave me a very urgent mission, which I completed yesterday (see my latest post), so the Lord is obviously doing something to counteract the secret combination. I assume others will likewise be given missions of the Lord to perform works that will frustrate the evil one’s plans.
Tim asked, “Are you referring to some sort of catastrophic or cataclysmic events?”
The Spirit hasn’t indicated it to be catastrophic or cataclysmic, as in earth changes due to planetary reconfiguration or the interplanetary plasma discharge of a comet, etc., so I give it as my opinion that it will be an earthly and not a heavenly event.
To give you an example of some of the prophecies I’m receiving: prior to the election, the Spirit indicated to me that whether Prop 8 passed or not, the church would be broken up irregardless.
Tim Malone asked, “I’m especially interested in your sources for tribal anarchy - exactly when and how?”
The Spirit has indicated that the secret combination’s efforts will be frustrated, the government will be broken up and this nation will be brought into tribal anarchy. I assume this will happen when the dollar tanks in 2009.
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