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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;I Don&#8217;t Think I Believe in the Church Anymore&#8221;</title>
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	<description>...declare repentance and faith on the Savior, and remission of sins by baptism, and by fire, yea, even the Holy Ghost.</description>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.ldsaliveinchrist.com/2008/11/i-dont-think-i-believe-in-the-church-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-2762</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 04:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, maybe, his &lt;i&gt;focus&lt;/i&gt; was on the entirely wrong thing:  namely, the Church(tm).  When our focus and testimony becomes more about an organization, an institution and an hierarchy, then it&#039;s no wonder that more people run into testimonial problems.  And they should.  Building our testimonies around programs, a faulty understanding of tithing, a &quot;checklist&quot; of things we need to do to ward off &quot;spiritual viruses&quot; is about as sandy a foundation as one can find.

Our testimony meetings have become something of a dog and pony show, where people get up to bear testimonies about things the think they know, with every fiber of their being, mind you, even though it&#039;s really only a &lt;i&gt; belief&lt;/i&gt;.  People jump up to testify of an increasingly dogmatic culture that stifles the spirit (my opinion) while altogether ignoring Christ.  We bear our testimonies of men, of titles, of programs, of buildings and everywhere in between, but I can&#039;t remember the last time someone actually bore testimony of Christ and his saving grace.  Actually, I can - and it was about 2 full years ago. 

I realize your post wasn&#039;t about this, but our culture seemingly dictates that we run people out of town who have different opinions on our theology, stifle any discussion that doesn&#039;t support the &quot;follow the prophet&quot; mindset and otherwise clamp down nonconformists, if they even exist inside the Church(tm) these days.  And, what&#039;s worse, when people come to us with problems, as the above story indicates, we simply redirect them to more things &quot;to do.&quot;  Earning salvation.  Earning spirituality.  Earning blessings.  Earning a testimony.  

So, no, I don&#039;t have a testimony of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://puremormonism.blogspot.com/2010/10/how-corporatism-has-undermined-and.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Church(tm).&lt;/a&gt;  I have a testimony of the church (D&amp;C 10:67-69), but not of the Church(tm), and actually think that sort of testimony is counterproductive.  We need to focus a whole lot less on the institution, her programs and her officiators, and a whole lot more on our Savior.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jakecolsen.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I don&#039;t believe a spiritual &quot;checklist&quot; will ever keep me free from &quot;spiritual viruses&quot; - only my relationship with Christ can do that&lt;/a&gt;, and that means following His will for me and me alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, maybe, his <i>focus</i> was on the entirely wrong thing:  namely, the Church(tm).  When our focus and testimony becomes more about an organization, an institution and an hierarchy, then it&#8217;s no wonder that more people run into testimonial problems.  And they should.  Building our testimonies around programs, a faulty understanding of tithing, a &#8220;checklist&#8221; of things we need to do to ward off &#8220;spiritual viruses&#8221; is about as sandy a foundation as one can find.</p>
<p>Our testimony meetings have become something of a dog and pony show, where people get up to bear testimonies about things the think they know, with every fiber of their being, mind you, even though it&#8217;s really only a <i> belief</i>.  People jump up to testify of an increasingly dogmatic culture that stifles the spirit (my opinion) while altogether ignoring Christ.  We bear our testimonies of men, of titles, of programs, of buildings and everywhere in between, but I can&#8217;t remember the last time someone actually bore testimony of Christ and his saving grace.  Actually, I can &#8211; and it was about 2 full years ago. </p>
<p>I realize your post wasn&#8217;t about this, but our culture seemingly dictates that we run people out of town who have different opinions on our theology, stifle any discussion that doesn&#8217;t support the &#8220;follow the prophet&#8221; mindset and otherwise clamp down nonconformists, if they even exist inside the Church(tm) these days.  And, what&#8217;s worse, when people come to us with problems, as the above story indicates, we simply redirect them to more things &#8220;to do.&#8221;  Earning salvation.  Earning spirituality.  Earning blessings.  Earning a testimony.  </p>
<p>So, no, I don&#8217;t have a testimony of the <a href="http://puremormonism.blogspot.com/2010/10/how-corporatism-has-undermined-and.html" rel="nofollow">Church(tm).</a>  I have a testimony of the church (D&amp;C 10:67-69), but not of the Church(tm), and actually think that sort of testimony is counterproductive.  We need to focus a whole lot less on the institution, her programs and her officiators, and a whole lot more on our Savior.  <a href="http://www.jakecolsen.com/" rel="nofollow">I don&#8217;t believe a spiritual &#8220;checklist&#8221; will ever keep me free from &#8220;spiritual viruses&#8221; &#8211; only my relationship with Christ can do that</a>, and that means following His will for me and me alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Jana H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jana H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 04:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this important reminder!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this important reminder!</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 23:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jared,

Thank you for this post. I was just contemplating this very thing this morning.  It is very easy for each of us to fall into a simple routine or go through the motion. I definitely needed a reminder to get back to the basics of scripture study and personal prayer before saying that I know longer believe. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared,</p>
<p>Thank you for this post. I was just contemplating this very thing this morning.  It is very easy for each of us to fall into a simple routine or go through the motion. I definitely needed a reminder to get back to the basics of scripture study and personal prayer before saying that I know longer believe. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://www.ldsaliveinchrist.com/2008/11/i-dont-think-i-believe-in-the-church-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-862</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

Thanks for your comment. I am moved deeply by your words and example. My prayers will include you and I hope I can wage my battles with the &quot;natural man&quot; with the same courage you display.

May God bless you to be true and faithful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment. I am moved deeply by your words and example. My prayers will include you and I hope I can wage my battles with the &#8220;natural man&#8221; with the same courage you display.</p>
<p>May God bless you to be true and faithful.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jared, your post is so very true.  As a single gay LDS convert living the &quot;law of celibacy&quot; I have found that the ONLY way I can remain active is to constantly nourish my testimony through the deeper communion experienced through personal regular prayer, consistent scripture study, regular temple attendance and constant seeking of further light and knowledge.  I do not have the luxury of a &quot;social activity testimony&quot; or &quot;straight patriarchal family testimony&quot; where I would be supported and carried along by reason of &quot;fitting the mold&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared, your post is so very true.  As a single gay LDS convert living the &#8220;law of celibacy&#8221; I have found that the ONLY way I can remain active is to constantly nourish my testimony through the deeper communion experienced through personal regular prayer, consistent scripture study, regular temple attendance and constant seeking of further light and knowledge.  I do not have the luxury of a &#8220;social activity testimony&#8221; or &#8220;straight patriarchal family testimony&#8221; where I would be supported and carried along by reason of &#8220;fitting the mold&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said.  I really appreciate this message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said.  I really appreciate this message.</p>
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		<title>By: SilverRain</title>
		<link>http://www.ldsaliveinchrist.com/2008/11/i-dont-think-i-believe-in-the-church-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-849</link>
		<dc:creator>SilverRain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People probably don&#039;t comment because they expected to see something about Prop 8, or something they could argue with. When they come here and see nothing to fight over, they go away.

Just my guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People probably don&#8217;t comment because they expected to see something about Prop 8, or something they could argue with. When they come here and see nothing to fight over, they go away.</p>
<p>Just my guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post has attracted a lot of attention. There are only a few comments, as usual, but many came by to read. I&#039;m puzzled by the fact that so few comment. 

All of mankind are spiritual beings. We all have the same Father in Heaven, but we&#039;re at different places in the great plan of happiness. The key is to understand the Doctrine of Christ and this will be my subject in future blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post has attracted a lot of attention. There are only a few comments, as usual, but many came by to read. I&#8217;m puzzled by the fact that so few comment. </p>
<p>All of mankind are spiritual beings. We all have the same Father in Heaven, but we&#8217;re at different places in the great plan of happiness. The key is to understand the Doctrine of Christ and this will be my subject in future blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Velska</title>
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		<dc:creator>Velska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reminder. No matter how well I know this, it is so easy to let things get just routine and skin deep.

I have noticed that I use being busy as an excuse not to set aside time to study and pray. And that is the foundation of testimony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reminder. No matter how well I know this, it is so easy to let things get just routine and skin deep.</p>
<p>I have noticed that I use being busy as an excuse not to set aside time to study and pray. And that is the foundation of testimony.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Parkin</title>
		<link>http://www.ldsaliveinchrist.com/2008/11/i-dont-think-i-believe-in-the-church-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-841</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Parkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been thinking about exactly this quite a lot lately, Jared.

~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about exactly this quite a lot lately, Jared.</p>
<p>~</p>
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