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	<title>Comments on: I&#8217;m Going to Shoot Old Joe Smith</title>
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	<description>...declare repentance and faith on the Savior, and remission of sins by baptism, and by fire, yea, even the Holy Ghost.</description>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://www.ldsaliveinchrist.com/2009/08/im-going-to-shoot-old-joe-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-1939</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 03:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elizabeth,

Thank you for leaving a comment. Your experience as a relative who has heard this story adds credibility to the account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth,</p>
<p>Thank you for leaving a comment. Your experience as a relative who has heard this story adds credibility to the account.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.ldsaliveinchrist.com/2009/08/im-going-to-shoot-old-joe-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-1937</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles Stoddard is an ancestor of mine (my great-great-great grandfather).  This story has always been told in our family.  It was handed down through the generations.  We did not even know a journal existed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles Stoddard is an ancestor of mine (my great-great-great grandfather).  This story has always been told in our family.  It was handed down through the generations.  We did not even know a journal existed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://www.ldsaliveinchrist.com/2009/08/im-going-to-shoot-old-joe-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-1909</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>et al,

I sent an email to Brother Daines and so far haven&#039;t received a reply. I don&#039;t know him. This is the email I used: rhdaines@mstar.net.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>et al,</p>
<p>I sent an email to Brother Daines and so far haven&#8217;t received a reply. I don&#8217;t know him. This is the email I used: <a href="mailto:rhdaines@mstar.net">rhdaines@mstar.net</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Torrey Canyon</title>
		<link>http://www.ldsaliveinchrist.com/2009/08/im-going-to-shoot-old-joe-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-1907</link>
		<dc:creator>Torrey Canyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 04:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Ryan P.:

  It was a very common practice in the nineteenth century for young women to keep diaries and not that unusual for them to begin an entry with, &quot;Dear diary&quot;. Since the account is taken from a journal history, I feel confident in saying that it is located somewhere in the Church collections. You can find the most important and/or fragile records in the new Church History Library and Archives in Salt Lake City, or the diary/journal could reside in the special collections of Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah. (Both of these institutions will open their collections to serious inquiry from an honest individual at no expense. However, if you are a rabid anti-Mormon we reserve the right to withold our records.) Since it is very likely that the diary is in a bound book form with sequential entries it would be extra-ordinarily difficult to forge such an entry and make it look in situ. This lends additional veracity to the incident. Lastly, the General Authorities of the L.D.S. Church have access to an extremely qualified group of historians who can, and do, research such accounts before they are quoted in any discourse given before the Church membership and the world. This &#039;vetting&#039; as it can be termed is rigorous and thorough as our enemies are ever eager to seize upon anything to attack our Faith and our Church. Brother Daines was a professor of Biology at Rutgers University before this speech was given which leads me to believe that he is already well acquainted with the strident standards of academic research. I truly doubt that he would be so cavalier as to quote a myth. Lastly, Jared is absolutely correct, you are indeed free to believe or not believe anything you wish. But if you are so exercised over the account there are academic means at your disposal to check it for yourself. Also, feel free to write and ask Brother Daines himself for the particulars on his reference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Ryan P.:</p>
<p>  It was a very common practice in the nineteenth century for young women to keep diaries and not that unusual for them to begin an entry with, &#8220;Dear diary&#8221;. Since the account is taken from a journal history, I feel confident in saying that it is located somewhere in the Church collections. You can find the most important and/or fragile records in the new Church History Library and Archives in Salt Lake City, or the diary/journal could reside in the special collections of Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah. (Both of these institutions will open their collections to serious inquiry from an honest individual at no expense. However, if you are a rabid anti-Mormon we reserve the right to withold our records.) Since it is very likely that the diary is in a bound book form with sequential entries it would be extra-ordinarily difficult to forge such an entry and make it look in situ. This lends additional veracity to the incident. Lastly, the General Authorities of the L.D.S. Church have access to an extremely qualified group of historians who can, and do, research such accounts before they are quoted in any discourse given before the Church membership and the world. This &#8216;vetting&#8217; as it can be termed is rigorous and thorough as our enemies are ever eager to seize upon anything to attack our Faith and our Church. Brother Daines was a professor of Biology at Rutgers University before this speech was given which leads me to believe that he is already well acquainted with the strident standards of academic research. I truly doubt that he would be so cavalier as to quote a myth. Lastly, Jared is absolutely correct, you are indeed free to believe or not believe anything you wish. But if you are so exercised over the account there are academic means at your disposal to check it for yourself. Also, feel free to write and ask Brother Daines himself for the particulars on his reference.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://www.ldsaliveinchrist.com/2009/08/im-going-to-shoot-old-joe-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-1868</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 03:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t necessarily agree with Ryan. After all, it says the text was modernized: {Diary of Sarah Stoddard; text modernized}

Unless I&#039;m missing something, I&#039;m willing to take it as a credible account until proven otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t necessarily agree with Ryan. After all, it says the text was modernized: {Diary of Sarah Stoddard; text modernized}</p>
<p>Unless I&#8217;m missing something, I&#8217;m willing to take it as a credible account until proven otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://www.ldsaliveinchrist.com/2009/08/im-going-to-shoot-old-joe-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-1852</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan P--

I reread the first link you provided. Based on what I read there, and your concerns, I&#039;ve decided to contact Robert H. Daines and see what he has to say. 

I&#039;ll follow up when I hear back from him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan P&#8211;</p>
<p>I reread the first link you provided. Based on what I read there, and your concerns, I&#8217;ve decided to contact Robert H. Daines and see what he has to say. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll follow up when I hear back from him.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan P</title>
		<link>http://www.ldsaliveinchrist.com/2009/08/im-going-to-shoot-old-joe-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-1851</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 02:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You didn&#039;t read the argument that I linked to, did you? Do I have to copy and paste it here? Have you ever heard of the term &quot;anachronism&quot;?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anachronism

You say &quot;a person can choose to believe or disbelieve this account&quot; as though the truthfulness of the story did not matter at all. A person can certainly choose to believe any kind of made up fabrication they want to. Gullibility is free and undiscriminating among persons.

Unless you&#039;re going to tell me that the Holy Ghost witnessed the truthfulness of this anecdote to you, I don&#039;t understand why it doesn&#039;t &quot;make sense&quot; to use a little probabilistic reasoning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You didn&#8217;t read the argument that I linked to, did you? Do I have to copy and paste it here? Have you ever heard of the term &#8220;anachronism&#8221;?</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anachronism" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anachronism</a></p>
<p>You say &#8220;a person can choose to believe or disbelieve this account&#8221; as though the truthfulness of the story did not matter at all. A person can certainly choose to believe any kind of made up fabrication they want to. Gullibility is free and undiscriminating among persons.</p>
<p>Unless you&#8217;re going to tell me that the Holy Ghost witnessed the truthfulness of this anecdote to you, I don&#8217;t understand why it doesn&#8217;t &#8220;make sense&#8221; to use a little probabilistic reasoning.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://www.ldsaliveinchrist.com/2009/08/im-going-to-shoot-old-joe-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-1850</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan P--

A person can choose to believe or disbelieve this account. But I don&#039;t think the reasoning you use to declare it a fabrication makes sense. If someone begins a journal account using the term &quot;Dear Diary&quot; what does that have to do with it being a fabrication or not? I fail to see the logic you are using.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan P&#8211;</p>
<p>A person can choose to believe or disbelieve this account. But I don&#8217;t think the reasoning you use to declare it a fabrication makes sense. If someone begins a journal account using the term &#8220;Dear Diary&#8221; what does that have to do with it being a fabrication or not? I fail to see the logic you are using.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan P</title>
		<link>http://www.ldsaliveinchrist.com/2009/08/im-going-to-shoot-old-joe-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-1849</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has all the earmarks of a typical fabrication. &quot;Dear Diary&quot;? &quot;faith-promoting experience&quot;? Seriously?

If you want some reasoning, check out:

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index.php?showtopic=12333&amp;view=findpost&amp;p=337018</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has all the earmarks of a typical fabrication. &#8220;Dear Diary&#8221;? &#8220;faith-promoting experience&#8221;? Seriously?</p>
<p>If you want some reasoning, check out:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index.php?showtopic=12333&amp;view=findpost&amp;p=337018" rel="nofollow">http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index.php?showtopic=12333&amp;view=findpost&amp;p=337018</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://www.ldsaliveinchrist.com/2009/08/im-going-to-shoot-old-joe-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-1836</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Johnson--

Would you mind sharing your reasoning that brought you to feel this way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Johnson&#8211;</p>
<p>Would you mind sharing your reasoning that brought you to feel this way?</p>
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